Even though most of the more vocal members of this board are ultra-liberal, they don’t represent the entire E-Train board much less, all American voters. With that in mind, I thought I would address the issues that Conservatives face in the upcoming elections. Some of us have shared the frustration of not having a candidate that truly represents us or the Conservative movement. And some have had their favorite candidate lack sufficient support to stay in the race… Thompson, Giuliani, Romney…

So here we are, at the point where our likely nominee will be the most liberal candidate running in the GOP, John McCain. And who doesn’t love John, the war hero? The POW who sustained torture for his country? But is he the best candidate to represent the Republican Party? Have the true Republicans put him in the position that we find him in today? The primary numbers say, no. His votes came mostly from Independents, and Moderates. He was actually trailing with Conservatives and Evangelicals. And in those states where you can cross the party lines, he was the favored. McCain has been loved and praised by the left for “reaching across the aisle” but in doing so he has undermined our principles and our party. Some of those efforts are found in McCain/Feingold, McCain/Lieberman, McCain/Kennedy, just to name a few. His views are different on immigration, Guantanamo, stem cell research, global warming, taxes, etc… In addition, he once considered being John Kerry’s running mate, which would have meant completely leaving The GOP. Some would question why he didn’t go ahead and make that move with his liberal views on so many issues.

Those Republicans that have yet to vote in the primaries are scratching their heads about whether it should be McCain or Huckabee. I give a lot of credit to the wise-cracking preacher, that wants to abolish the IRS, for staying in the race and thinking he has a chance. I think it’s all for not, but he insists he does not want the VP spot and will continue on until someone reaches the 1191 delegates needed. McCain could reach it any day now. When that day comes, I believe we need to insist that McCain pick a running mate that shares our conservative views. It is the only way he will get the November vote from those that are swearing to stay home. Without that block of voters, he will lose the 2008 election. If he indeed picks a suitable running mate, he will get the support of talk radio hosts, that are listened to by millions. The rest of us will then be comfortable enough to pull the lever for McCain. To slightly compromise will be better than enduring a Clinton or Obama presidency. At one time I agreed with Rush that a Democrat in office might be a good thing so they will finally see that their policies will NOT work and will only hurt America. But then I realized with that mentality, I am risking the future of my family and the values and freedoms we currently enjoy. For that, I am willing to fight to the end!!

So I am standing my ground and wailing from the mountain tops …..
ANYONE BUT CLINTON OR OBAMA!!!!

Well written Noles. Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place right now. Some Republicans are taking a look at Obama because he speaks of "change" and many in this country are looking for that. But change for change sake is not necessarily a good thing. Senator Obama has the most liberal record of any senator out there so the changes he speaks of may not be what this country needs right now. He looks good and sounds good but I'm afraid that too many people may be swayed for those reasons alone. For me, Hillary is not an option so, November is going to be tough. There will be a lot of soul searching between now and then.

Conservatives are not the only ones between a rock and a hard place, IMO. I have mostly considered myself a democrat all of my life, but I really don't care for the liberal (or Bush's) stand on illegal immigration, Tom Tancredo was the one I agreed with on that issue. I don't even blame the illegal immigrant's for trying to come here for a better life. I blame the business's that hire them for the cheaper labor, and I blame us, yes, all of us, because we the American people want to continue living on the cheap and not pay decent wages for laborers. But, I also think that all people should be able to buy into the same health plan that our senators and congressmen get. Why should only the well to do be able to afford healthcare? So who is running for election that agrees with me on both of these issues? There is no-one that I can find. So you see, not only the conservatives are at a loss as to who to vote for.

I need to amend my first post on this subject, I stated that I don't blame the illigals for coming here, I really do understand why they would rather come here than to try to eek out a living for their families in their own country, but I do blame them for breaking U.S. laws and being here illigally. I do believe that most are very hardworking and family oriented people, but we just cannot permit them to continue to come here and take jobs from our labor people.I hope I cleared that up. I understand that Elliott is an O'bama man, so he must not be too bad. (Just trying to inject a little bit of lightness in the discussion. That's all)

I'm "feeling" ya conservatives out there! I grew up under this conservative (familial) cloud, and now, for the 1st time ever, I've stepped outside my shell, and I'm (probably for an ONLY time in my life) following my heart!! If this were a race between the tortoise and the hare, then I may just have a bit of HARE up my a**!! I've been feeling a sense of urgency (not to pee), like huge strides must be taken to get things done and move onward!! Okay, that's all!!
May the best win!!!

Ironically, when I was in a shell, I didn't do a whole lot of thinking and went with the lastest craze, the hippest most popular candidate. Just wanted to be in the flow. Now that I have put thought into it and measured it by my values, standards and patriotism, I can't imagine being anything other than conservative.

The office of Presidency takes more than just pretty words with an eloquent tone. It takes experience, strength and conviction. It takes ruling with your heart and your mind regardless of how popular it is. It might be decades to come, but one day our history books will reflect how smart the Bush Administration really was in the decisions that were made for the good of the country.

Tomorrow we vote in the Va. primary. My family will all put in a protest vote for Mitt Romney. Come election I guess I will have to hold my nose and vote the Republican nominee. I feel he is the lesser of the 3 evils. First time I have felt I had nobody to represent my views. Its really sad.

I know what you mean. :unsure:

Do you really feel McCain is the most liberal of the GOP initial candidates? I would have said Rudy was. McCain seems to tow the party line with a lot of issues, though there are some that certainly differ, taxes being the most glaring. Which candidate did you feel represented the GOP better? Thompson? Romney?

How do you feel about the Republican party in general at this point in time? It was always my impression that a true conservative would live by the "that governement is best which governs least" motto, which the Republican party seems to have gotten away from as of late. In the last 8 years, they have spent money like Democrats. It seems like it is getting to the point where both parties are overly involved in the people's lives, not leaving them to make their own decisions. Both parties are largely controlled by corporations and unions (and I don't pretend there is much difference between the two); I have felt disillusioned with the whole setup for years now.

I think that one of the biggest problems we face as a country is the overblown polarization that has really stepped up in the last dozen years. I blame the media, in large part, but I blame the American individuals in a much larger part. Media is just out there to get their quick sound-bytes, sensational and effective for ADD America. There is little objectivism in the media and the people on each side believe what their (liberal or conservative leaning) media provider tells them. Too often, people want a quick black and white answer, not accepting that there are always shades of grey. Democrats and Republicans at this time in America seem incapable of seeing the other side and typically dismiss anyone on the other side as being stupid, sheep-like, evil, fascist, or any other number of monikers, none of them productive in a sensible debate.

In the end, I hope for someone who can unite as a country instead of dividing us further. I would like a moderate president, one who isn't a slave to party lines. And I'd like to vote FOR a candidate, instead of against the one I fear; that would be refreshing.

I was lucky enough to be able to vote for Romney, here in Florida. He made an excellent speech at CPAC. I was heart-broken to hear that he was leaving. Huckabee's success makes me think he should have carried on. The conservative voices are speaking out!!

Romney is in a good position for 2012!

(Michele is still a Mitt Chick!)

I feel ALL of you. I especially loved what you said go about voting for one of the dems just so people can see what a mess that could be, but hello, how would that benefit what I truly believe in and what is safe and good for my family also? You can talk a good talk, and walk a good walk, but when it gets right down to the honestly really TOUGH decisions, the ones that the people (some) may not believe to be right because what they hear in the media, but because it really is what is right IN THE LONG RUN for this country, the liberals IMO, tend to do what is easy, not always what is right. Sometimes things that are harder to get, to reach, to fight for, to work for, pays off much more in the end, even if it takes longer to show the reward of all of the work. So many people are caught up in the here and now, and it is understandable, because today is honestly all you can live for, but if we are taking about the future for our children, do we want their choices, their rights, their constitutional freedoms to be taken away and government RUN? Do we want them to be told how they will spend the money THEY earn, who they should worship, what doctor they have to go to AND have their wages garnished for whether they are getting the care they want and deserve or not? Why is it that so many liberals think that WE TOO do not want peace, and harmony, and to work together for the good of the country? We also know that you can not sit down, and have a talk about peace with a terrorist. That would be like thinking you can put Charles Manson in a few counseling sessions and BOOM, he would be a changed man. We have to think about the long term, the future, and be realistic. If and when we start to have our rights and choices taken away from us the individuals, and given to any "higher power" or government, everyone in the end will see what a mistake that will be. Unfortunately I fear it will be too late for all of us to have this debate if that is to happen.

I am with you go noles06. I will stick with my beliefs to the end. I will always want the freedom that is slowly being taken from us. How sad a day is it when an illegal...ILLEGAL, NOT LEGAL citizen can come into this country and get free or reduced health care, housing, food, clothing, college tuition, etc, but my daughter has to work for scholarships or have parents that can pay (or she can pay for student loans later) when she/we were BORN here? How can ANYONE think that is OK? I know of one friend of mine who has duel citizenship here, and in Canada, and she sits on her butt and does NOTHING, has nothing wrong with her, and the US of A pays for her rent, her food, her health care, pretty much everything, and she is the first one to complain about the President and all she does NOT get handed to her. Do we want a nation of people who think they are just supposed to sit back and get "taken care of", or do we want to teach the next generation what hard work can do? I am not saying we don't all have times we may be in need, but those who are willing to TRY, should be helped, not those who think they have the rights to ALL for nothing. Sorry about the rant, but I know so, SO many people like this, that it would positively SCARE you. If the nominations are who they think they are, I will be writing in Elliott Yamin for pres on my ballet, and don't think for a second I am kidding;)

I might have strong beliefs, but that does not mean I shut myself down from someone with opposing views. As has been obvious through this forum, I'm a passionately Liberal/Progressive Democrat. The irony is that a few of my friends are Moderate to quite Conservative Republicans. (Maybe there is something to the Ying/Yang theory?). Most of them are leaning towards McCain with a few going for Obama. Yes, sometimes we have spirited debates, but we still respect each other at the end of the day.

The dichotomy for the Republican nomination is pretty fascinating. I think Huckabee will continue to have strong support from Religious Conservatives who want the more Conservative candidate who best represents their beliefs. That could be partly why individuals like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh (SP?) have been saying not so kind things about McCain. I'm not sure why so many staunch Conservatives view McCain as a liberal?! I heard recently that President Bush stood up for him by stating that he was a true Conservative in his eyes.

IMHO, McCain will probably win the nomination. He is ahead in delegates and stands to maintain his momentum as the establishment candidate. It might be plausable to have Huckabee as a VP to retain the Religious right for the general election. Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens. We have a lot of time to go!

lol, same with me Soul! I too have lots of friends who have strong liberal/democratic beliefs, and I too believe we all have the right to have the beliefs we do, and I respect everyone for that. I just think there are so many people that don't do enough research on BOTH sides, true, honest, research, and not just listening to hollywood and the media, and the speeches, but to look back through time, and look at what good the candidates have done, and what they could bring to the table. That is ALL I wish for is that others don't lose who they are, and what they believe in, and that they research. You have no idea how many people I know that are voting for Hillary just because "it is time for a woman to be President", or "I like Obama's speaking voice", etc. If you honestly respect what they stand for and what they say they intend to do for the country, and you agree with it, after much research etc, then wonderful. As far as Bush supporting McCain, the both have the same idea's about immigration that I, as a conservative COMPLETELY disagree with. I do appreciate the fact that he is a war hero, and all he went through, and that he STILL supports the military, and war even though he went through what he did..(because in the end, he knows it WAS for the good...), but the immigration part really scares me.

I like your rants Yellin. You made some very good points. Bush is not the ultra conservative that we thought he was in the beginning. He has stood strong against terrorism and appointed some good supreme court judges but he has spent way too much money and is too soft on illegal immigration. So, he and McCain have some things in common. I agree that it is much more difficult to be a conservative in today's world. We are, generally, looked upon as closed minded, mean spirited, lovers of big business, etc. I just don't want the government running my life. I like the freedom to make my own mistakes and suffer the consequences rather than the government telling me I can't eat trans fats, or smoke in my own house (I don't smoke), or eat at a restaurant if I'm obese...I swear the state of Mississippi has proposed a bill to refuse service to patrons in state licensed restaurants who are obese. I know that not all Democrats are this liberal but those who are, are a very vocal group. It should be an interesting election. I like your idea of writing in Elliott Yamin on election day!

Aw thank you hon!!

And um...are you SERIOUS about the restaurants in Mississippi? And how on EARTH is that NOT discrimination at it's very LOWEST??? Gee, lets serve you all the foods that we offered to you for so many years that you CHOSE, with your very own MIND to eat, to get you to the point you are at, ( I myself AM obese, and no restaurant made me that way, you see I did that all on my very OWN!!) and then BAN you from that restaurant??? Whoa mama, just LET them try and stop me from going into a restaurant if I so choose ANYWHERE!! That is like telling a black man he can't go into a restaurant because he is black, or a gay because he is gay. Or wait, are they going to try and say no, that is not the same because they did not CHOSE the way they are? Please, why would ANYONE see this as ok? And what are they going to do, have a scale in the waiting area to weigh everyone when they come in? And a tape measure for height so they can get your BMI? "Step on the scale miss, and sorry, if you are over 138 pounds and are under 5 ft 3, you are OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!" I can't even imagine....

and I agree with you. I am the first one to give, to help, to support, to love my fellow man. I am in no, way, shape, or form "closed minded..not at all. I research, and research again, ALL sides, all candidates, watch CNN, and Fox news, I listen to Rush, and Katie Couric, and then I try to make the best, most informed decision I can for what my core beliefs are. If I want to own a gun to protect myself and my children from an intruder in MY home, then I should be allowed that right. If I want to smoke in my home (which I don't but if I wanted to) then I should have that choice. If I want to eat all my meals filled with trans fat then, I should be able to. If my kids want to say the pledge of allegiance then then should be allowed that right. You know I could go on and on, but you know where I am coming from. The only way we learn in life is to work hard, and sometimes we must fail, and suffer the consequences of that, or else how do we learn? If everything is handed to us, made easy, here you go, then what does that teach us? I was born a human being with a soul, and a real beating heart, and a brain, NOT a robot made from parts with a chip and a remote that controls my every move. If some had it their way, THAT is the way we would all be treated, and for me, I would much rather keep my brain, heart, and soul, and suffer, and lose, and fail AND LEARN, then to be a non thinking, feeling, decision making hunk of metal. Oh, and an OBESE one not allowed into certain restaurants at that...lol;)

Yellin, I think you covered just about every issue and I share your position as a Conservative. I, too, listen to Rush, and also listen to Glenn Beck of CNN and Sean Hannity of Fox. Comparitively, I like to switch over to MSNBC and CNN to see how they "spin" the same news into something different. Like progress in Iraq to FAILURE in Iraq. I am often shocked to hear Keith Oberman day in and day out bashing (with the harshest of words) the president, the administration, the war, etc... it gets really old and mind numbing. I guess his show is opinion, although he masks the attempt at telling the news. It is no wonder that those who watch his show are so hate filled for people with any other ideas. It is ironic that it is the Liberals that are behind the Fairness Doctrine, due to the success of Talk Radio and Fox News. So what will happen to all of the Liberal Media, which encompasses the failing NYTimes, LATimes, Moveon.org, TIME, Newsweek, NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and the list goes on.... This will affect them as well. They will have to have opposing views of all of their rants. Ofcourse that may bring their ratings up to start telling the truth!! Their goal is to put Rush, Hannity, Beck and Levine out of business. It's funny how RELEVENT Rush actually is, despite their calling him irrelevent!

I'm also encouraged by the conservative movement among our college students, inspite of the liberal professors that are teaching them. They are learning to fight back by speaking up and recording the in-class opinionated rants spewing from these miserable teachers. Perhaps it's the cycle of rebellion against their left leaning parents' generation. Funny how that happens!

EFAN2, I agree with your views of Bush. He was our conservative representative until he decided to compromise on a few issues. I see it as holding hands and playing to the left as he coasts out of office. What he doesn't realize is that they will always hate him no matter what he does. For instance, when he gave the most gracious introduction of Nancy Pelosi as the first female Speaker, showering her with compliments, she smiles and hugs him as she stabs him in the back at every opportunity. She remains seated and refuses to clap or participate in his addresses to the country. Knowing all the while that she is on camera behind him pouting like a toddler. Her constant claiming that "this is Bush's war and it is failing" is all political rhetoric.
I continue to be amazed at the childishness of the adults in power! And the thought that they are in power because the Republican voters were upset about the war. Many of us stayed home in 2006 because we saw the out of control spending and the abandoning of our principles, which is completely the opposite of what is being presented on the left.

I pray that this country gets back to its core principles and remembers that FREEDOM is our first cause!

Pictures from Obama support offices





Interesting flag in the background in not one, but atleast two offices. It is the flag of the Castro-led Cuba regime, with terrorist Che Guevara's face on it. Hmmm...

zoinks!

and why are those pics not posted by those who support Obama?

I don't understand, really I don't...;(

great post go_noles06;)

Can you provide the link please? I cannot find it here?

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Ne...d=3.14.4&page=1

To be fair, those pics are from VOLUNTEER Obama supporters, NOT an OFFICIAL campaign headquarters for Barack Obama. A candidate cannot control the beliefs of those who choose to support them. It has no bearing on Obamas' beliefs, only those in that volunteer group. No more so than if the Klu Klux Klan were to volunteer for John McCain, Mike Huckabee , Hillary Clinton or Obama & a video shot of them supporting the candidate of their choice.

Whew! Thank you. I have been searching everywhere for those pics. They are a big deal so you'd think that I would have been able to find them.

RM!! miss you sweets! I agree with you hon, but it does show you some of the kind of people he is attracting.


I just wanted to throw this out there too..

I also have one question. Who creates wealth? do the rich create it, or do the poor? So how is it a good thing to PUNISH those that are actually MAKING their money, to GIVE to those who do not make any?

I actually used to live in government housing. Yes, for 4 years I was a single mom, who lost her job to someone else after I had my daughter, found the father of my daughter in the "act" of cheating on me, (when I was pregnant, he barely worked, and I worked 12 hour days..I know I was STUPID to stay with him..but it happens..) and I left him that night, with a 3 month old, with no where to go, no car (because he stole it in the night and crashed it), just the clothes on our backs. I got into housing and immediately, even with no vehicle, and school probably 15 miles away, looked into school. I went back to school, found rides where I could if I had to beg borrow or steal. I used my 312.00 of "government" money (which is actually paid by those MOSTLY in middle class) for ONLY the necessities. I didn't drink, smoke, do drugs, buy soda, or lobster , like EVERY SINGLE person surrounding me in housing. You see, I saw first hand what the majority of "poor" single moms/dads DO with that government "help". They partied all night, had nice cars, left their 2 year olds to wander the streets, they were smoking name brand cigs and buying name brand booze, smoking pot, and "they couldn't afford diapers" for their babies. Do you have ANY IDEA what kind of depression that can put a person in who is trying SO HARD, to see this ALL around her daily? In the end I went to school, graduated top of my class, and got a job 2 days after graduation. I ended up moving out after getting married, just a few months after that and moving to NH. I actually know a 30 year old mom who is two doors down from the very housing apt I was in right now, and she does ALL of these things. She smokes, she drinks, she smokes pot, and COMPLAINS that her rent is 90.00 a month and she can't even BEGIN to afford it, or food. I just wanted to put that out there from experience that there are some of us YES that do appreciate what little we got, and we did what we had to do. I am ashamed I let myself be with someone who PUT me in that position. That same someone has not paid me a PENNY of child support in almost 15 years, but he is working "under the table" making big bucks. No matter how much the government tries to help the majority of people, there will ALWAYS be those that take advantage, and look at it as a hand out, NOT a hand up. I experienced it for years, and lived in severe suicidal even, depression while out there. I see no good at all, in that.

I also look at liberal and conservative views like this. Someone who is more liberal thinking would see a hungry, poor man on the street, and would go to the market and buy him a fish and give it to him. A conservative would take that same man and TEACH HIM how to fish, so that now, and always, he would always have the skill to feed himself. If that man, like so many, has a drug, or alcohol addiction that may have landed him where he is in the first place, that first man would probably turn around and sell that fish for a fix. The second, could only choose to use the skill to nourish him the way he needs and deserves. Just a thought. ;)

Personally, I hate labels. IMO, most politicians represent the same thing, all talk & no action. I agree that the welfare system is severly flawed, but does that mean it is useless? No. There will always be those who abuse or take advantage of programs designed to help people when in need, as assistance, not permanent care. Perhaps I am labeled a liberal, I dunno. What I DO know is that if I see someone in need, dayum right I will do what I can to help them,..to help themselves. That is a trait of a human being. My major concern is a war that is not ours to fight & an economy that is in a scary decline. I simply want a candidate that truly LISTENS & SEES what is happening in AMERICA. Will I get that, I dunno? I can only go by what the candidate says & pray, for once, the words are backed by action. That would be a refreshing change!

As for the people his attracting, well, it takes all kinds. Same as tho willing to spread lies & smear tactics to tarnish the reputation of another. Neither type have values we appreciate!

And Miss Yellin....I miss you bunches too sweetie! Lord willing we can catch each other in chat again soon!

and as I know you know sweetie, I am the very FIRST one, to help any, and everyone who needs it, proly to a fault if there is such a thing, lol. I just don't think people realize just how many people abuse the system. In just the strip of housing units I was in, proly about 12 units, not ONE of them was doing anything to help themselves, and they all partied it up constantly. It surrounded me. Drugs, drinking, 4 year olds in diapers wandering the streets alone because their parents, who didn't even have a job, were too LAZY or strung out to want to take care of them. In fact a few admitted to me that they HAD those children, just so they could GET the Food Stamps, Housing, and "free" 312.00 a month, yes they actually TOLD ME that;( I made sure to know who it was that was surrounding me, and I actually wish now I had kept better track, and kept notes, and I would have seriously considered writing a book about my experience. Unless you have been there, wow, it brings me to tears just thinking back. I TRULY DO believe in helping those that are showing that they are doing what they can, no matter how small, to help themselves. If you are a single mom working 2 low paying jobs, that is not when those services should be taken away, but when they should be GIVEN or raised even. It is just one small thing that is in serious need of an overhaul.

For volunteers (more than one) to have those flags displayed sends a message, whether it is the wrong message or the right message, it is still a message. If it is the wrong message then Sen. Obama should speak out against it being associated with his campaign. If he has, I would like to hear it. If he hasn't that is interesting as well.

Yellin, abusing the system is rampant all across the US! To assume that there are far less that abuse the system is very naive. I lived in a small town in southern Georgia for two years. 60% of the population there were on government assistance. My husband was in law enforcement then and he knew when the gov. checks would arrive in the mail. The liquor stores and the drug corners would be hopping with business. This of course would cause crime and domestic issues all across the county. It was the same people year after year. Never bettering themselves because this was the way they made their living and they were bringing their children up to do the same. It became a RIGHT instead of a temporary helping hand.

My husband's life was in jeopardy every time these people got a little money in their hands. He often went into houses that had holes in the floor big enough to see the dirt underneath. Malnutritioned children running around in the midst of the drug use and domestic violence, while the thugs were dressed in name brand clothing and the Escalades and Mercedes Benz were parked in the driveway. It really makes me sick!

On the flipside, I applaud those parents that take advantage of vouchers and take their children to private schools to get a better education. My daughter's School is a part of this and also has tuition assistance for low income families. It is evidence that they are trying to break the cycle and have their children help themselves.

yellin and go noles - :cheers: Those were some really good posts.

Are any of you interested in Ron Paul, or a third party candiate? As much as the media tries to make it sound like a 3-person race now (maybe 4 with Huckabee), there are definiteley other options.

Just wanted folks to know that Obama's team has already responded to this photo on their website:

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck...appropriate.php

Barack Obama's website:
"The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign."

From the news report ..."volunteers open two new offices in Houston for the Obama campaign. Paid staffers will occupy them as soon as this Friday..." These are Obama campaign offices. I read a post that another flag was spotted in a Louisianna campaign office. It obviously does not offend Obama. The reason why some find it so relevent is because it was Obama that made issue with refusing to wear an American flag pin.

The fact is, we do not know who Obama is. He has been in office for 3 years and most of that time he has been preparing for this election. In a Democratic focus group, not one person could list anything that Obama has accomplished. One person said that he gave great speeches. One claimed he gave hope. Another said that he could be the first black president. The others gave a "pass". More than half of these people intended to vote for him. Everyone is putting faith in his words and words alone.

THANK YOU go...., a million times THANK you. And what is up with not wearing an American Flag pin? Are you not RUNNING to be President of this country? I honestly have a really bad feeling that will not go away. Your words said it perfectly.

Romney supports McCain. I knew it would happen eventually. If McCain is smart, he will pick Romney for VP. He has a brilliant mind that McCain will need!

:goodpost:

Good post

Though I may not be a conservative Noles, I have so say that I love you! LOL.


Although I have to disagree about the whole Bush Administration, it's just my own beliefs. As well as (I'm not sure if you said it or not) about voting a democrat just to see how bad they would mess up. In fact some of the strongest leaders we've ever had were moderate to democrats. (Besides Reagan.) And in the past (way way way past) what was considered to be Republican is literally liberal nowadays. PLUS! We would have never gotten the constitution had it not been for the 'changers of the status quo' (Or Anti-Federalists vs Federalist, and the whole lets just completely redo the Articles of Confederation.) who knew it wasn't working and wanted to change the 'status quo'.

But I'm like you in a way, who is not just swayed by words. Lol, again so I've never stated who I've voted for. But I do like McCain, although I guess he isn't way too popular with some conservatives.

Well thanks for loving me even though I am conservative! :glomp:
I do appreciate your view and your comments. It helps in understanding how to communicate with people of different opinions. How boring it would be if we were all alike :eww: this is the best way to have an influence by having friendly conversations on controversial topics. Wish I were more eloquent with articulating my views. But I'm just me and do my best to communicate well with others. Thanks to all of you for participating in my thread :awe:

I believe we have lost as a people the right to our sovereignty. We are now too dependent on world trade and we are no longer a leader in manufacturing. We are not as strong as we have been in the past. We have opened borders. We have rising food prices, inflation and a falling dollar. We have many social problems , the world is changing ,not for the better and no government that I know of can correct it all. It is an individual right to vote but don't expect the government to fix it. The government cannot suppy us with all the answers. It lies with each individual and the choices we make. We have to live with our choices and hope for the best.

Noles, I know we don't agree on most political issues, but I want you to know that I respect you as a person with the right to have your own views on things (as with all of the other more Conservative Republicans on board too). I've done a lot of thinking about my philosophy towards life the last couple of days and it made me realize how foolish it is to fall into the left versus right dichotomy. It goes against what I stand for in the first place which is a more peaceful, embracing, and unified society that treats all people with the dignity/equality that every person in this world deserves. Plus, not all people are clearly labeled Democrats or Republicans because we are complex beings. We can be Conservative on one issue and Liberal on the next.

For example, I favor more harsh punishment for Drunk Driving. That is one thing I'm more Conservative on because people I'm close to have been directly impacted by it. It goes to show how our identity and life experience contributes vastly towards our stances on these things. I think Liberals and Conservatives are not as different as we may think sometimes. In the end, we all want a strong yet just society that promotes a great standard of living for its people. We just sometimes disagree on how to get to that point, and thus, a large roadblock to achieving many of those things.

It's easy to label each other with different defintions and dichotomies: Black/White, Gay/Straight, Male/Female, Loony Liberal/Crazy Conservative, Poor/Rich, and all the other lines of division we could come up with. But I think we forget that it is us who create and perpetuate this animosity towards one another. I hope that sometime in the future we can learn to work together and stop focusing on what makes us "different" and start working together in the knowledge of what makes us similiar. At the end of the day, we are all human beings just trying to live and find happiness in what brings us most joy.

Well said, Soul. I agree that we should focus on the things that bring us together. I do believe that both parties and everything in between wants the best for our society. On the issues that we disagree, I love the discussion of how each of us came to our conclusions, instead of blindly following the party we are affiliated with. I think we should be passionate about what we believe so that it stays fresh and alive within us and has an effect on those around us.

We are indeed a passionate group! I believe the best our hometowns have to offer!!
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I think Larry Elders is brilliant;) I vote for HIM for President!!

I love this article:



What Republicans Believe, What Democrats Believe

By Larry Elder



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http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | "I'm writing to you on behalf of my son. In the simplest form, what are the main differences between today's Democrats and Republicans? I get too complicated with my explanations. I don't think these kids really know the difference and just vote for a candidate because he is young, or female, etc. Can you help?"


Sure.


What Republicans Believe, What Democrats Believe


Republicans believe hard work wins, and government should allow you — to the fullest extent possible — to keep what you earn. Democrats believe that success results from luck, chance and happenstance, and therefore a just government takes from those who have and gives to those who do not.


Republicans believe in a colorblind society determined by drive, work ethic and talent. Democrats want a color-coordinated society. This explains the support for race and gender-based preferences to "correct" past sins and to create "diversity."


Republicans believe discrimination to fix previous discrimination remains discrimination, and that all a government can be is just in its own time. Democrats wish to use government to "rectify" past wrongs, which they hold responsible for today's "inequities."


Republicans believe that government should empower the individual — that a government that taxes least taxes best. Democrats want individuals to empower government, and support policies that redistribute income from person A to "deserving" person B.


Republicans believe that the playing field, while unlevel, requires an individual to do the best he or she can with the cards dealt. Democrats consider life rigged, and that one's destiny rests on matters beyond the control of the individual.


Republicans believe that those who cannot help themselves can and will be helped out by other individuals — not government — as a result of basic human compassion. Democrats believe that because of one's misfortune, he or she is entitled to something — via government — from someone else.


Republicans believe in peace through strength, and thus support strong national defense, and — in this era of Islamofascism — a proactive foreign policy. Democrats believe in strength through peace, and believe they can better influence the behavior of enemies by demonstrating our good intentions.


Republicans believe in the mutual benefits of free trade of goods and services. Democrats believe in "fair trade," and support barriers that shield domestic industries against competition, reducing the incentive to innovate and change to remain competitive.


Republicans consider the Constitution a contract, limiting the duties, powers and obligations of the federal government. Democrats consider the Constitution a "living, breathing document," to be interpreted flexibly. Republicans, for example, reject Roe v. Wade because the court based it on a right to privacy, not mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. Democrats consider the right to privacy implied, despite the absence of any reference to it.


Republicans believe in the Second Amendment, and that it confers an individual right to keep and bear arms. The Founding Fathers wanted this right to protect against tyranny by government. Democrats consider the Second Amendment an impediment to public safety.


Michigan, six years ago, became one of about 40 "shall issue" states that now allow citizens to apply for a permit to carry concealed weapons. At the time, law enforcement officials predicted an increase in violent crime. In fact, the opposite happened.


Woodhaven Police Chief Michael Martin said, "I think the general consensus out there from law enforcement is that things were not as bad as we expected. There are problems with gun violence, but I think we can breathe a sigh of relief that what we anticipated didn't happen."


So how did the president of the Michigan chapter of the anti-gun group Million Moms March respond? She called the statistics bogus, and argued that even if true, society still possesses too many guns.


And this brings us to our final observation:


Republicans believe what they see, and Democrats see what they believe.