Title: Do You Believe In Ghosts?
Description: Share your paranomral stories here
Ramona Brave - June 2, 2006 03:34 AM (GMT)
I love listening to good personal story of ghosts, aliens or other paranormal phenomenon. I'm a huge X-files fan.
Jacqualine - June 2, 2006 03:41 AM (GMT)
Yes. I haven't ever seen one but I do believe they are real. I did see the spirit (or whatever you want to call it) of my Father after he died.
Ramona Brave - June 2, 2006 03:43 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Jacqualine @ Jun 1 2006, 11:41 PM) |
| Yes. I haven't ever seen one but I do believe they are real. I did see the spirit (or whatever you want to call it) of my Father after he died. |
Would you mind telling us about it? I hope I'm not being too intrusive here.
Jacqualine - June 2, 2006 03:52 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 1 2006, 10:43 PM) |
| QUOTE (Jacqualine @ Jun 1 2006, 11:41 PM) | | Yes. I haven't ever seen one but I do believe they are real. I did see the spirit (or whatever you want to call it) of my Father after he died. |
Would you mind telling us about it? I hope I'm not being too intrusive here.
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Well my dad died on Groundhog day in 1997, the following May my hubby (then my fiance) moved in with my mum to help her with bills and so she wouldn't be alone. Shortly after we moved in I woke up early and just laid in bed waiting for the alrm clock to go off. I was facing my finace who was on the right side of the bed with my back to the bedroom door, it was early morning but still bright outside so the room was filled with sunlight. After about 10 mins. I decided to go for a pee, I rolled over and faced the bedroom door and that's when I saw him. He wasin the doorway and I could see the hallway behind him but I could also see in a wierd transparant way the bedroom door that was still closed. I became really scared/startled and froze to the spot. And my dad got this sad look on his face and then gave a little shrug and a smile and drifted (it's the only word that I can think of to describe it) back down the hall and as he went farther away the door became more solid. As soon as he was gone I regretted not speaking to him and I never had an experience like it again besides silly dreams where I dream he's been hiding out in South America after faking his death. (LOL)
Elliotyael - June 2, 2006 03:58 AM (GMT)
awesome i love x files too ! :rocker:
I do belive in ghosts lol..i m acually a person who's seen and heard them throughout my whole life, i've lived in a haunted house and ive had ones that came to visit me even when i wasnt living anywhere haunted ^ ^;;
The house- was a millitary housing area. I moved across from where that neighborhood is (not because of the ghost, but because it was time to go )
And i thought nothing of it at first, excpet for the feeling it had. It felt really wierd like someone was always watching you. And it would get really breezy or cold. I still didnt get it , until the thing with my bedroom door happened. I would lock it everynight, and several minutes later, to maybe 30 minutes later, it would unlock and open itself.
I thought it was broken and that a breeze was opening it lol. but there was nothing in the hallway. and i pulled on it over and over with it locked to see if it was comming loose, but it could not open it no matter how hard i tried. But it would do it by itself some an hour or so later lol. That and when stuff started mysteriously toppling off of my bookshelf was when i started putting two and two together ^ ^;;
I felt really scared, and one night after the door was unlocking itself again, and i hid under the covers..i heard a loud 'bang' and my guitar was knocked over from its corner. Then i was wondering why it was picking on me so much. Then i thought to myself, maybe it wants to get my attention. So i started talking to it lol ^ ^;; sort of like an imaginary friend. And behold! It stopped doing all that stuff. i could still feel it. alot of times right behind my back as if it was following me like a puppy or something hehe. One night i woke up and saw something in my room. I have to tell the truth i got kind of sick a few days before ^ ^;; but i felt lots better and it was the middle of the night when i woke up and saw a lady standing over my bed. I didnt move cause i couldnt belive it. She was wearing a red robe and had long black hair but i couldnt see her face. When i snapped out of it and tried to see her face, she quickly moved away and disapeared into the shadows in the back. Another night the same thing happened, but i saw a little kid, who looked alot like my younger brother lol. I asked him 'what are you doing here' but i blinked and he was gone.
Many years later, fast foward to several months ago in my apartment, i had a dream about the lady. She was crying and reaching her hands out to me. I dont know what it was trying to say :/ But a couple of days later my beta fish was dead, stuffed unaturally inside a shell that was in there ><
I dont mean to scare anyone, though ^ ^;;
Jacqualine - June 2, 2006 04:02 AM (GMT)
WHOA! Freaky!!
Why are they always standing over you when you wake up?? Every real life ghost story I hear has that!! STOP THAT GHOSTIES!!
LOL I won't be able to sleep tonight.
Elliotyael - June 2, 2006 04:20 AM (GMT)
oh my, we posted almost at the same time lol. Wow..You saw him after you got out of bed too.. [edit] The look your father was making seemed almost kind of playful lol. Maybe it was so no one worries.
I got told by someone online who said they could read or channel spirtual energy that the lady was an aunt of mines. Which upset me because none of my aunts were dead to my knowedge. But he kept insisting that it was. I learned from my grandmother on the phone one day that one of my aunts have not been heard from in years after she moved to California. No one knows where she is,and she kept saying 'im sure shes dead' over and over even when i kept trying to say i dont think she is , to help her feel better, but now im kind of upset ^ ^; lol. I got told by someone else that he thinks im a 'conductor' which means i attract ghosts lol, thats why they came to me all the time and no one else in my family. Then i thought maybe the lady was crying in my dream because she was trying to tell me that something happned to her and she seemed reallly sad about it. I guess that she cant see any of us anymore ><
I dont think you have anything to worry about though, unless you go out of your way to seek them out, or call upon them , all unfocused like (which can call anything) But you would have to really go out of your way to do that stuff lol. Its been a really long time since anything has happned over here. I dont want to make anyone worry *Hugs* lol
Amunet - June 2, 2006 04:42 AM (GMT)
I believe! heh
I haven't seen any ghostly things for a long time, but have when I was younger.
Uhm.. lemme see if I can think of some experiences...I'm sure some of these are just from an overactive imagination, but I'm just gonna tell it how I remember heh.
I used to live in a very haunted house.
Would always hear someone walking around in the attic. It sounded like the person was wearing heavy workboots. Just loud stomps. But th thing is is that it was impossible to walk around in the attic b/c it was packed full of junk.
When outside, you always had the feeling like someone was watching you from the inside. We used to use the door in the garage, and I remember putting my shoes on on the steps right outside the door. I got such a creepy being watched feeling that I ran out to the end of the driveway with my shoes and finished putting them on there.
Same house.. I was sitting in my room doing something.. can't remember. But I do remember that it was a bright clear day outside and all of a sudden, there was a loud boom/cracking sound and a large bright spark at the window. When I told my dad about it he said that he hadn't heard anything. He went and looked outside to see if there was damage or just anything and of course.. nada. And just fyi.. there were no wires or anything near the window.
My cousin would spend the night alot at that house. And of course like all little girls, we would try to scare eachother. We were in my parent's room in the bed (we slept there when she came over) talking, when I see this like little person thing in a dirty brown robe in the hallway.
I freak out turn to tell her, turn back and it's gone. So having a brave moment.. I peek over the bed and see little feet scrambling to get under the bed. I don't remember what happened after that though. We probably just did the typical kid move.. hide under the blankets until we fell asleep heh.
Cousin had also told me years later that she had actually seen those things before as well on different occasions.
I still have nightmares about that house :unsure: heh
have other stories but I'll save those for later
Elliotyael - June 2, 2006 05:38 AM (GMT)
Yah! its that same 'watching you ' feeling *shivery* ^ ^;
i'm sure you're right about that place being haunted..meeeep *hides*
Ive heard lots about stomping noises too.
Ive seen big flashes too, but they werent as noisey as the one you saw..it must have been so scary ^ ^;;
Yaminized - June 2, 2006 05:48 AM (GMT)
I think 97% of ghost incidents are false. But occasionally, things happen that we can't find an explanation for. Maybe it's ghosts, maybe it's nothing. Who knows? I don't know, and I don't care. :)
ekgcekgc - June 2, 2006 06:18 AM (GMT)
I voted no, but I'm not sure what the OP meant by "ghosts". I don't believe in ghosts in the sense of people staying around after they die and haunting people. I do believe in the spirit realm (angelic and demonic forces). And yes, I have had personal experiences with both.
Angelic experience:
Ran away from home at 8 years old...was on a busy highway going from one town to the other...a man came out of nowhere and asked if he could carry my bag...i said yes (no reservations that he was a "stranger")..he started talking to me and asked why I was running away...he finally convinced me to go back home and said "Everything will be okay" (now ya'll know I could've been killed or raped or anything)...I turned around to go back home and when I looked back to wave goodbye he was gone (coincidence? I think not...)
Demonic experience:
woke up one night (you know when you're not fully awake, but you're not asleep?) to the what sounded like the TV being on...but it wasn't...I felt like I couldn't move and there was this heavy force making me stay lying down...no matter what I tried to do, I could not move...after becoming fully awake, I realized that there was something terribly wrong...I felt a "presence" keeping me down...I have never felt so terrified in my life...with whatever strength I could muster, I started thinking "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus", then I started having strength to actually say "Jesus" out loud. Before long, I was shouting it, and gradually the "presence" lifted off of me...once I was "unparalyzed" I jumped up, turned on the light, and starting praying harder than I ever had before...I opened up my Bible and it turned right to a scripture in Revelation on how the "enemy" does all he can now because he knows his time on earth is short. I prayed for a long time and read my bible then went back to sleep...
This happened to me again, and this second time, I prayed for God to protect me from any more of those types of experiences because they are terrifying and horrible. And it hasn't happened since...
Please don't think I'm crazy ya'll...I'm telling the truth...and I've talked to other people who said they've had similar experiences (demonic...haven't talked to anyone that had a similar angelic experience...)
Amunet - June 2, 2006 06:48 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ekgcekgc @ Jun 2 2006, 06:18 AM) |
Demonic experience: woke up one night (you know when you're not fully awake, but you're not asleep?) to the what sounded like the TV being on...but it wasn't...I felt like I couldn't move and there was this heavy force making me stay lying down...no matter what I tried to do, I could not move...after becoming fully awake, I realized that there was something terribly wrong...I felt a "presence" keeping me down...I have never felt so terrified in my life...with whatever strength I could muster, I started thinking "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus", then I started having strength to actually say "Jesus" out loud. Before long, I was shouting it, and gradually the "presence" lifted off of me...once I was "unparalyzed" I jumped up, turned on the light, and starting praying harder than I ever had before...I opened up my Bible and it turned right to a scripture in Revelation on how the "enemy" does all he can now because he knows his time on earth is short. I prayed for a long time and read my bible then went back to sleep...
This happened to me again, and this second time, I prayed for God to protect me from any more of those types of experiences because they are terrifying and horrible. And it hasn't happened since...
Please don't think I'm crazy ya'll...I'm telling the truth...and I've talked to other people who said they've had similar experiences (demonic...haven't talked to anyone that had a similar angelic experience...) |
That sounds alot like sleep paralysis.
It's very frightening when it happens.
Happens every once in a while with me.
I'll get to that half awake, half asleep state and even though my eyes are literally opened.. I'll still be dreaming (usually a nightmare) and won't be able to move or anything.
I'll also have times when it's happening when I think I actually wake up and move, but then I actually wake up.
It's pretty freaky.
Ramona Brave - June 2, 2006 03:23 PM (GMT)
Thank you for sharing. You can take my question to mean anything you'd like it to mean. I just wanted to hear personal stories of encounters with the Unknown.
Does anyone here remember the Time-Life Series called "Msyteries of the Unknown". Loved those books.
Medellia - June 2, 2006 04:06 PM (GMT)
I have a ghost story too!
I used to work at a clothing store. One night at closing I was at the register counting money and to my 10:00, about 10 feet away, was my friend Kris who was straightening the clothes. We were the only 2 people there. Kris finished and came up to me to talk, and suddenly we heard a rustle of hangers coming from behind Kris. We looked, and everything she had just straightened on the rack was MOVING back and forth, like someone just ran their hands oer it. Kris and I got so scared that we ran to the other side of the store and didn't talk for almost the rest of the evening. There were 2 other girls with us but they were on the dual side of the store; there was no way they could have come onto our side without us seeing them!
There have actually been other ghost stories from my store, the most notable ones being when an employee saw a figure of a gray-haired lady in the fitting room, and another time when 4 employees heard a little girl laughing in the store. Again, all of these happened after closing, when customers were gone.
Creepy, huh?!
gloomyeeyore - June 2, 2006 07:36 PM (GMT)
I believe in ghosts, I have never seen one. But there was a creepy incident that happened to me a couple of times. About 2 years ago I was home alone and I went to get something from my room and then when I was standing by my dresser I felt someones hand patting my shoulder. It freaked me out the first time this happened there was no one with me in the house, and I know that I did not imagine this. Since that happened it has happened one more time and it was when I was alone in the house.
Another thing that happened there was a time when I was in my room on my computer and all of a sudden my door slammed shut, I was the only person upstairs and there was no draft in my room at the time that would cause my door to shut.
All these creepy things always happen when I am in my room.
Medellia - June 2, 2006 09:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (gloomyeeyore @ Jun 2 2006, 11:36 AM) |
| About 2 years ago I was home alone and I went to get something from my room and then when I was standing by my dresser I felt someones hand patting my shoulder. It freaked me out the first time this happened there was no one with me in the house, and I know that I did not imagine this. Since that happened it has happened one more time and it was when I was alone in the house. |
I had something similar happen, I felt someone sit down next to me on my bed more than once. The weird thing is, I'm not scared of these things, I just tell whoever it is to stop playing with me and go back to (a certain family member who is deceased). Then they go away.
sharona - June 2, 2006 09:56 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Amunet @ Jun 2 2006, 06:48 AM) |
| QUOTE (ekgcekgc @ Jun 2 2006, 06:18 AM) | Demonic experience: woke up one night (you know when you're not fully awake, but you're not asleep?) to the what sounded like the TV being on...but it wasn't...I felt like I couldn't move and there was this heavy force making me stay lying down...no matter what I tried to do, I could not move...after becoming fully awake, I realized that there was something terribly wrong...I felt a "presence" keeping me down...I have never felt so terrified in my life...with whatever strength I could muster, I started thinking "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus", then I started having strength to actually say "Jesus" out loud. Before long, I was shouting it, and gradually the "presence" lifted off of me...once I was "unparalyzed" I jumped up, turned on the light, and starting praying harder than I ever had before...I opened up my Bible and it turned right to a scripture in Revelation on how the "enemy" does all he can now because he knows his time on earth is short. I prayed for a long time and read my bible then went back to sleep...
This happened to me again, and this second time, I prayed for God to protect me from any more of those types of experiences because they are terrifying and horrible. And it hasn't happened since...
Please don't think I'm crazy ya'll...I'm telling the truth...and I've talked to other people who said they've had similar experiences (demonic...haven't talked to anyone that had a similar angelic experience...) |
That sounds alot like sleep paralysis. It's very frightening when it happens. Happens every once in a while with me. I'll get to that half awake, half asleep state and even though my eyes are literally opened.. I'll still be dreaming (usually a nightmare) and won't be able to move or anything. I'll also have times when it's happening when I think I actually wake up and move, but then I actually wake up. It's pretty freaky.
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My thoughts exactly. Although it's more often referred to now as "awareness of sleep paralysis" or more correctly "awareness during sleep paralysis" since we are all paralyzed in our sleep except for sleep-walkers, so we all have sleep paralysis, the difference is being aware of being paralysed, although sometimes interpreting it as a demon, ghost and more recently alien abduction.
When we sleep our body is paralysed so we don't act on our dreems - when we dream we run we don't actually get up and run, when we dream we drive we don't actually get into our car and drive it. Usually everyhting works just fine and all sleep processes set in and set out simultaneously, but it might happen sometimes that our wires get crossed and there is a delay and we are actually aware of being unable to move and unable to utter a sound while being half awake or even fully awake in terms of awareness. It's often a horrific experience and often interpreted, quite naturally, as being possessed or taken over by some alien and hostile being. It happens to many people once or a few times during their lifetime and some people (such as me) experience it occasionally or often. Your description is identical to many of my experiences including the interpretation.
Here you have a couple of links:
http://www.trionica.com/asp/defined.htmhttp://sleepdisorders.about.com/od/sleepparalysis/http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P.htmlOn that last website check also that:
http://watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.htmlDon't take the term "hallucination" too strictly - we usually relate this term with mental disorder and it has nothing to do with it.
I had A LOT of these experiences in the past 20 years. Mine included also "out of the body" experiences which is also quite common with awareness during sleep paralysis. I began having these experiences when I was a teenager. Had several ghost/demon experiences. And then once I woke up and found myself on the ceiling. Talk about creepy. I had several such experiences so I started reading about OBE (out of the body experiences) and astral projections, they described the process and the sensations and I was like: WOW, it's the exact thing I was experiencing. I was quite fascinated with it, started trying to induce these experiences and had some success. Usually it's starts with the "possessed" sensations and there are all sorts of noises and then you "leave your body". Of course you are completely aware of where you are and that you just woke up from sleep, you are as aware as you are when you are wide awake. And when you start feeling all that creepy stuff you know you can either try to wake yourself up or try to continue and induce an OBE.
There are basically 2 types of OBE. One is that you sense you leave your body and wander in the normal physical world - your room, another room, another country, except you move at the speed of your thought and can fly, pass through solid objects and all that - it's your spirit, not your body, it has some really cool advantages. And another is that you wander in some other "astral plane", another dimension, another world. I had both types :lol:. It was exciting, but then I had to get "scientific" about it and ruin it all. I decided to test my physical world OBE to see if it was authentic. So I opened a book without looking at the page and put it on the top sehlve where I would have to float to look at it. I had to remember the page number or the first word. When I had my OBE I did exactly that - floated and looked at the book, but when I woke up I found out it wasn't the same page number/word. Hehe. It felt so real but it wasn't.
Some years later I heard about awareness during sleep paralysis and read a little about it, and it was again: WOW, it's the exact thing I was experiencing :lol:. Read other people's experiences and found many that resembeld mine.
The "ghosts" and "demonic" experiences still horrify me when I have them although I know what it is now, but it is certainly a lot less horrifying than when you're sure it's a foreign being - and it does feel like that, it really does. There's a difference between a "ghost" sensation that is terrifying but not half as much as a "demon" sensation when you just feel it's something evil. A person who never experienced that wouldn't understand. I sleep with the lights on for over 20 years now since it makes it easier to pull out of it. And I see the OBE experiences as lucid dreams - dreams where the dreamer is aware of dreaming and can control at least parts of the dream. It's fun. Usually. I think the reason my physical world "OBEs" seemed so realistic is that often my eyes are open - I see my surounding with my physical eyes and the visual sensations and dream sensations mix. In recent years I'm often aware of my eyes being open, and sometimes the perspective is gone so small objects that are near you might seem big. I onced had this little sweet teddy bear next to my pillow and I saw it as the same teddy bear but it got HUGE - God, that was SCARY :lol:
I don't believe in ghosts, although I'm paradoxically terrified of them and have been since I was a child. I wish there was life after death but I have some serious doubts.
However I don't rull out anything unless it's absolutely necessary. I don't say there are no ghosts or out of the body experiences - I just say mine weren't real.
LadyB - June 2, 2006 10:41 PM (GMT)
Yes, I do believe in ghosts because the weirdest things have hapened to me. One time I was all alone at home and the volume of the stereo went up...by itself. Freaked me out. Then right after that a door closed...by itself. I went out screaming my head off lol
Outofmymind - June 2, 2006 11:23 PM (GMT)
I have to agree with the scientific interpretation of sleep paralysis. I had that experience too, and i too thought there might be some kind of demon in the room. But you know what, i forgot all about that experience until i saw that post.
Although to my own personal beliefs, spirits do exist (if you want, call them Angels and Demons) i'm not very easy to say that i saw or felt one. .
Also according to my own beliefs, i don't think ghosts or spirits, are lost human souls that remain around us, causing trouble, haunting houses and doing all the nasty things we see in GhostBusters.
So i'm very skeptical about the stories that i hear of people experiencing a contact with a ghost. Like a lost relative a murdered person seeking revenge, e.t.c.
But demons and angels? Sure.
That again, is just my own belief and i share it, since the OP asked.
justmeintx - June 3, 2006 12:20 AM (GMT)
Seven years ago I would have answered no to that question. My Mom died in 1999. She was in the hospital and my father and my brother and sisters were there. We knew she was going to probably die that day. I had been there for a day and a half and my sisters finally talked me into going home and taking a shower. While I was gone, she died. It was almost like she waited for me to leave because she knew I would take it the hardest. Anyway, the next night I was asleep in the floor at my Dad's house. I woke up and my Mom was standing at the foot of the mattress I had laying in the floor. I couldn't speak or move and it was weird because I wasn't scared either (and I am a very scary person) I blinked and she was gone. It was like she needed me to know she was ok. I haven't seen anything since.
rainshine - June 3, 2006 12:41 AM (GMT)
Since I'm a science nerd and a skeptic by nature, I voted no. A rational explanation for these stories might not be immediately apparent, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. The most we can say is that we just don't know. Ghosts/spirits, if they exist, don't come around every day - but humans misinterpret things all the freaking time. So for any given story, I'm going to say that's the simplest explanation. Things like sleep paralysis explain many otherwise-creepy occurrences in natural, logical terms. Who's to say that if we had perfect knowledge of the natural world, we couldn't explain all of them?
I try to keep an open mind, always... but as Carl Sagan used to say, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
(I hope I didn't offend anyone. :hide:)
GypsyNFla - June 3, 2006 01:30 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 1 2006, 10:34 PM) |
| I love listening to good personal story of ghosts, aliens or other paranormal phenomenon. I'm a huge X-files fan. |
Oh, I love a good ghost story :o I clicked on "undecided."
I played a Ouiji Board eons ago, and that really gave me the heeby jeebies! We asked the board a question and it spelled out an answer. I was spooked.
ekgcekgc - June 3, 2006 02:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (sharona @ Jun 2 2006, 03:56 PM) |
| QUOTE (Amunet @ Jun 2 2006, 06:48 AM) | | QUOTE (ekgcekgc @ Jun 2 2006, 06:18 AM) | Demonic experience: woke up one night (you know when you're not fully awake, but you're not asleep?) to the what sounded like the TV being on...but it wasn't...I felt like I couldn't move and there was this heavy force making me stay lying down...no matter what I tried to do, I could not move...after becoming fully awake, I realized that there was something terribly wrong...I felt a "presence" keeping me down...I have never felt so terrified in my life...with whatever strength I could muster, I started thinking "Jesus, Jesus, Jesus", then I started having strength to actually say "Jesus" out loud. Before long, I was shouting it, and gradually the "presence" lifted off of me...once I was "unparalyzed" I jumped up, turned on the light, and starting praying harder than I ever had before...I opened up my Bible and it turned right to a scripture in Revelation on how the "enemy" does all he can now because he knows his time on earth is short. I prayed for a long time and read my bible then went back to sleep...
This happened to me again, and this second time, I prayed for God to protect me from any more of those types of experiences because they are terrifying and horrible. And it hasn't happened since...
Please don't think I'm crazy ya'll...I'm telling the truth...and I've talked to other people who said they've had similar experiences (demonic...haven't talked to anyone that had a similar angelic experience...) |
That sounds alot like sleep paralysis. It's very frightening when it happens. Happens every once in a while with me. I'll get to that half awake, half asleep state and even though my eyes are literally opened.. I'll still be dreaming (usually a nightmare) and won't be able to move or anything. I'll also have times when it's happening when I think I actually wake up and move, but then I actually wake up. It's pretty freaky.
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My thoughts exactly. Although it's more often referred to now as "awareness of sleep paralysis" or more correctly "awareness during sleep paralysis" since we are all paralyzed in our sleep except for sleep-walkers, so we all have sleep paralysis, the difference is being aware of being paralysed, although sometimes interpreting it as a demon, ghost and more recently alien abduction.
When we sleep our body is paralysed so we don't act on our dreems - when we dream we run we don't actually get up and run, when we dream we drive we don't actually get into our car and drive it. Usually everyhting works just fine and all sleep processes set in and set out simultaneously, but it might happen sometimes that our wires get crossed and there is a delay and we are actually aware of being unable to move and unable to utter a sound while being half awake or even fully awake in terms of awareness. It's often a horrific experience and often interpreted, quite naturally, as being possessed or taken over by some alien and hostile being. It happens to many people once or a few times during their lifetime and some people (such as me) experience it occasionally or often. Your description is identical to many of my experiences including the interpretation. (snip! to shorten quote)
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Yeah, I've read about the sleep paralysis, but I'm positive that is not what happened to me. There's a difference between natural sleep paralysis and knowing there is some evil presence that is paralyzing me. As I said before, I believe in the spiritual realm, and I believe that is what happened to me (even after studying about SP). It hasn't happened since I prayed for it not to happen again, so it doesn't bother me. Plus, I knew I wasn't "possessed" because I'm a believer...but I can still be "vexed" by evil forces, which is what I believe happened to me. I was never one to be "afraid" of the dark until I moved to Dallas into a new home, but even now, I'm over that. It's an experience that may be "explained" by science, but for me, that explanation doesn't help much. But I appreciate all the responses, and nobody running away saying "WACKO"!!! :lol:
ekgcekgc - June 3, 2006 02:20 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (GypsyNFla @ Jun 2 2006, 07:30 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 1 2006, 10:34 PM) | | I love listening to good personal story of ghosts, aliens or other paranormal phenomenon. I'm a huge X-files fan. |
Oh, I love a good ghost story :o I clicked on "undecided."
I played a Ouiji Board eons ago, and that really gave me the heeby jeebies! We asked the board a question and it spelled out an answer. I was spooked.
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Man, those Ouija boards are crazy. Seriously, you know that movie the Exorcist was based upon a true story about a little boy playing around with some Ouija board. Stuff like that is dangerous...even if people don't think it is...*shudders*
GypsyNFla - June 3, 2006 02:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ekgcekgc @ Jun 2 2006, 09:20 PM) |
| Man, those Ouija boards are crazy. Seriously, you know that movie the Exorcist was based upon a true story about a little boy playing around with some Ouija board. Stuff like that is dangerous...even if people don't think it is...*shudders* |
I'll tell you one thing, I'll never play a Ouija board again :o
realitymom - June 3, 2006 03:17 AM (GMT)
I definately believe, although I personally have not SEEN a ghost firsthand.
I have had experiences though, primarily having my name yelled out. Once I was getting ready to get in the shower & heard my name yelled...loudly. I was the only one home...but thought maybe my husband came home from work early? So, I open the bathroom door & yell "What?!" but no response. Figured I was hearing things, so I open the shower curtain to get in & hear my name AGAIN...even louder. Now I'm peeved cause my shower's been interrupted twice AND I got no dang response when I yelled what. This time I walk out into the living room, butt-naked (hey, I was ticked & it was MY house! :P ) looking for whoever it was. Again, nobody. I was NOT happy. Back to the bathroom, 3rd attempt, hear my name again...this time I KNOW there is no one in the house. So, I say aloud "Enough already, I don't have time for games, I have to get a shower... Go bother someone else!". Didn't hear anymore until around a month later. Was getting into bed & heard my name. Got up to see if hubby had come back for something (he worked 1st shift, I was on 3rd) but nope. Went back to the bed, pulled the covers up & heard my name. Hollered out "Shut the hell up, I need to get some sleep!". My door then slammed shut (I left it cracked open) & I said "Whatever" & went to sleep. I acted nonchalant....but my heart felt like it was gonna beat outta my chest & I was freaked! :eek:
Athena610 - June 3, 2006 02:45 PM (GMT)
I have a brother who was killed at the age of 20 - my daughter at the time was 13 months old and I'm sure did not remember him. He stayed with me prior to her birth in the bedroom that is now hers.
When she was about three every day she would tell me about a man in her room waking her up but that she was not scared of him She described him as having long hair and dressed all in black and I am convinced it was my brother just checking up on her. The only picture I have of him is him holding her singing to her on the Christmas Day before the February that he died and although he loved to dress all in black he was not dressed in black in that picture which was unusual for him so she did not get that fact from a picture.
She is now 20 but throughout the years has mentioned sightings of him though much less than before and just says "he watches her".
Ramona Brave - June 3, 2006 02:54 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rainshine @ Jun 2 2006, 08:41 PM) |
Since I'm a science nerd and a skeptic by nature, I voted no. A rational explanation for these stories might not be immediately apparent, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. The most we can say is that we just don't know. Ghosts/spirits, if they exist, don't come around every day - but humans misinterpret things all the freaking time. So for any given story, I'm going to say that's the simplest explanation. Things like sleep paralysis explain many otherwise-creepy occurrences in natural, logical terms. Who's to say that if we had perfect knowledge of the natural world, we couldn't explain all of them?
I try to keep an open mind, always... but as Carl Sagan used to say, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
(I hope I didn't offend anyone. :hide:) |
You didn't offend me at all. I loved your post. I have "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. I just started this thread to hear other people's stories because I enjoy reading them. I am also a skeptic/atheist that at the moment don't see any evidence for the existence of ghosts. I voted "No" on this poll. Maybe ghosts exist but right now with the evidence or lack there of, I don't think so.
SoulMusicRocks - June 4, 2006 08:32 AM (GMT)
rainshine - June 4, 2006 12:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 3 2006, 10:54 AM) |
| You didn't offend me at all. I loved your post. I have "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. I just started this thread to hear other people's stories because I enjoy reading them. I am also a skeptic/atheist that at the moment don't see any evidence for the existence of ghosts. I voted "No" on this poll. Maybe ghosts exist but right now with the evidence or lack there of, I don't think so. |
Ah, good to see another atheist on board! :glomp: The Demon-Haunted World is fabulous; everyone should read it. I've read (and LOVED) a couple of other Sagan books as well. Oh, he was so brilliant... I love him so much. :wub:
Anyway, I'm glad you weren't offended - hopefully no one else was, either. I like all these stories, too! :)
Ramona Brave - June 4, 2006 03:49 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (rainshine @ Jun 4 2006, 08:16 AM) |
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 3 2006, 10:54 AM) | | You didn't offend me at all. I loved your post. I have "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. I just started this thread to hear other people's stories because I enjoy reading them. I am also a skeptic/atheist that at the moment don't see any evidence for the existence of ghosts. I voted "No" on this poll. Maybe ghosts exist but right now with the evidence or lack there of, I don't think so. |
Ah, good to see another atheist on board! :glomp: The Demon-Haunted World is fabulous; everyone should read it. I've read (and LOVED) a couple of other Sagan books as well. Oh, he was so brilliant... I love him so much. :wub:
Anyway, I'm glad you weren't offended - hopefully no one else was, either. I like all these stories, too! :)
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By any chance, are you a Bertrand Russell or Isaac Asimov fan? Ayn Rand? Which Sagan books did you read? "Pale Blue Dot"?
Elliotyael - June 4, 2006 09:27 PM (GMT)
I remember people talking about that sleep paralysis thing. Its happned to my mom and sister , they panicked when it happned (or after i guess lol )
I know its not what happned to me because when i woke up and saw both ghosts i remeber turning my head on the first ocassion and sitting up and saying something, the second time. Iv'e never had that sleep paralysis, but i used to be a sleep walker lol :blush:
ps @ RB whats your favorite X file? :)
SylviaRebecca - June 4, 2006 09:47 PM (GMT)
I am still undecided, leaning towards belief.
Now let me share my story with you...it isn't a ghost story, per se, but just a story of a phenomenal thing that happened to me.
In March of 1974, I was 15 years old. My mother had been sick with colo-rectal cancer for about a year, and was not doing well. She had been in the hospital more often than not, and we all knew she wasn't going to win the battle...she was going to die.
I was babysitting on March 9, 1974, and all night I had been listening to the albums this couple had...playing a LOT of Simon & Garfunkel ("The Sounds Of Silence", "I Am A Rock", etc....songs about sadness, perseverance, etc. ..no "Cecelia" for me!) and feeling kinda moody. My mom and I didn't get along well at all (teenage rebellion, mostly, plus she always made sure I knew the boys were her favorites), and yet, I wasn't ready to lose her.
At about 8:00 I turned on the TV to watch some comedies. I honestly can't recall for CERTAIN what I was watching, but I think it was "M*A*S*H*"...that sticks in my head for some reason. Anyway, I was watching the show and really enjoying myself, laughing at it, and I suddenly felt really chilled and thought, "I shouldn't be laughing about this...my mother just died."
When I got home that night, my dad knocked on the bathroom door as I was brushing my teeth and told me my mother HAD died that night. I asked him when,and he told me it was at 8:20...right at the time I felt chilled and had the thought that I shouldn't be laughing.
I still don't know if I just had a feeling, if something was passed on to me, or if I just was being a melodramatic teen. But it's odd, just the same.
ekgcekgc - June 4, 2006 10:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 3 2006, 09:54 AM) |
| You didn't offend me at all. I loved your post. I have "The Demon Haunted World" by Carl Sagan. I just started this thread to hear other people's stories because I enjoy reading them. I am also a skeptic/atheist that at the moment don't see any evidence for the existence of ghosts. I voted "No" on this poll. Maybe ghosts exist but right now with the evidence or lack there of, I don't think so. |
It's cool if you don't see any evidence, but lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't any. If you say you don't believe because there isn't evidence, that means you know all possible evidences/proofs available to make that sort of statement. Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else on here...just a thought... :) The supernatural/ghost/spirit world lies outside of the confines of science/logic. Therefore, you cannot use those means to prove/disprove the existence of the things mentioned.
Ramona Brave - June 5, 2006 12:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ekgcekgc @ Jun 4 2006, 06:16 PM) |
| It's cool if you don't see any evidence, but lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't any. If you say you don't believe because there isn't evidence, that means you know all possible evidences/proofs available to make that sort of statement. Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else on here...just a thought... :) The supernatural/ghost/spirit world lies outside of the confines of science/logic. Therefore, you cannot use those means to prove/disprove the existence of the things mentioned. |
I'm not offended at all. I'm actually enjoying this conversation a lot. This is how I see it. The existence of ghosts is an extraordinary claim. Therefore, the burden of proof lies on the on the person making the claim. Until someone proves to me that ghosts exist (ie. evidence via photgraphs/videos, etc.), I will continue not to believe in their existence. Since I only use science/logic to reach my conclusions, I can't really answer your statement that ghosts/paranormal activities occure outside science and logic. I am a strong believer in rational thinking using science and logic (empirical evidence). I did enjoy your post. :)
ekgcekgc - June 5, 2006 02:32 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 4 2006, 07:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (ekgcekgc @ Jun 4 2006, 06:16 PM) | | It's cool if you don't see any evidence, but lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't any. If you say you don't believe because there isn't evidence, that means you know all possible evidences/proofs available to make that sort of statement. Sorry, I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else on here...just a thought... :) The supernatural/ghost/spirit world lies outside of the confines of science/logic. Therefore, you cannot use those means to prove/disprove the existence of the things mentioned. |
I'm not offended at all. I'm actually enjoying this conversation a lot. This is how I see it. The existence of ghosts is an extraordinary claim. Therefore, the burden of proof lies on the on the person making the claim. Until someone proves to me that ghosts exist (ie. evidence via photgraphs/videos, etc.), I will continue not to believe in their existence. Since I only use science/logic to reach my conclusions, I can't really answer your statement that ghosts/paranormal activities occure outside science and logic. I am a strong believer in rational thinking using science and logic (empirical evidence). I did enjoy your post. :)
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Cool! :glomp: I understand your beliefs in using science/logic to reach conclusions. I am somewhat of a scientist (LOL...got my B.S. in biology, minor in chemistry, but don't ask me details! it's slowly slipping away as I now study in another field! hehe... :P ), and so can identify to an extent. I was wondering, do you believe in historical evidence, which is not proven by science/logic? Example (not true, just making something up LOL): A place has been known to be "haunted" by ghosts....scientists have attempted to disprove this theory with all sorts of tests, etc. All they can go by is the historicity of the place and the testimonials of the people's experiences to determine if this place is in fact "haunted". Does that count for something? (I hope that makes sense...sorry, if it doesn't!)
rainshine - June 5, 2006 10:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 4 2006, 11:49 AM) |
| By any chance, are you a Bertrand Russell or Isaac Asimov fan? Ayn Rand? Which Sagan books did you read? "Pale Blue Dot"? |
I read The Dragons of Eden and Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors, but not Pale Blue Dot yet. And I've heard excerpts from all those people you mentioned, but never read any of their books. (I can tell they're right up my alley, though... I must learn how to speed read!) My other big author-crush besides Carl Sagan is Richard Dawkins - The Selfish Gene changed me forever. :)
rainshine - June 5, 2006 10:11 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ramona Brave @ Jun 4 2006, 08:53 PM) |
| I'm not offended at all. I'm actually enjoying this conversation a lot. This is how I see it. The existence of ghosts is an extraordinary claim. Therefore, the burden of proof lies on the on the person making the claim. Until someone proves to me that ghosts exist (ie. evidence via photgraphs/videos, etc.), I will continue not to believe in their existence. Since I only use science/logic to reach my conclusions, I can't really answer your statement that ghosts/paranormal activities occure outside science and logic. I am a strong believer in rational thinking using science and logic (empirical evidence). I did enjoy your post. :) |
:goodpost: Very well stated.
scarlettm512 - June 6, 2006 05:45 PM (GMT)
I lived in one house that I am convinced was haunted. The woman who owned it (and rented it to my family) had just become a preacher after her husband died. Not sure if he died in the house or not, but there were a lot of weird things in that house.
1. The lightbulb in the living room when we moved in was red. So I don't know what the previous occupants were doing -- but they used red light to do it. If it had been in the bathroom -- I would have thought photo developing or something. But this was in the main family living area. (okay -- not proof of a ghost or anything, but definitely weird).
2. Snakes would crawl up on the porch and look into the house through the sliding glass door all the time. Never seen snakes that bold before or since.
3. The phone cord in the kitchen would start swaying sometimes for no reason -- like someone brushed up against it even though it wasn't near an air vent or anything and nothing else near it showed any sign of a breeze.
4. My mom sometimes heard a choir singing when she was in the house (I never heard it). But the owner/preacher did used to have choir practice in the house.
5. Sometimes, at night, it looked like a man was standing at the top of the stairs or sitting in the middle of the couch. You couldn't see him clearly -- just his outline. I thought I was just seeing things, but my mom and brother also saw this in the same places that I did.
6. My room would get really cold sometimes. Just my room.
7. It sounded like someone was walking around upstairs all the time, even though no one was there. When I was in my room, it often sounded like someone was walking across the room toward my bed. My dog, who used to sleep in my room with me in our old house, refused to sleep in my bedroom in that house.
8. My dad started acting really different (kind of crazy) while we lived in that house. Almost like the character in 'The Shining' (though he never chased us with an axe, LOL). But after we moved, my dad went back to normal. He hasn't acted that way since. And he doesn't remember a lot of things he did during that time. My Dad could have been having a mid-life crisis -- but, I swear, that house was evil.
I know none of this 'proves' anything -- but it is enough to convince me. I have never had it happen anywhere else -- just that house. And you couldn't pay me to go back there again.
mvemulap - June 6, 2006 05:58 PM (GMT)
NO :hide: .... hehe No really I dont.