Does anyone know if it's really true that Taylor,Kat,Chiris and Paris will be signed with Clive Pervis but not Elliott?

That really pisses me off :angry: .....that must be so hurtful to Elliott

that's what it sounded like in the ET article that came out before the performances on Tuesday night... hmmm... whatever, I think Elliott would be better off creatively w/o Clive as an executive producer- he can collab with many others and release an awesome album on his own terms.

true. i don't think i'd want elliott to sign with clive anyhow. i don't wanna hear anymore of the recycled pop machine that clive seems to have just for ka-ching. elliott's too good for that.

I posted on this on another thread, but wow! I can't say enough about the full version of MMFL... not something Clive could put together... but definitely Quincy Jones- I totally love this song! I think it even trumps the original, the Brian McKnight and Queen Latifah covers... WOW

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!

Clive is getting old....I don't think he notices talent anymore! :D
j/k!
But look at what happened to Bo! (Not saying Bo does not have talent, just that his CD did turned out as a joke)

hey miyagimayday! you like veronica mars too? I didn't know anyone watched! It got picked up for next season... maybe E can guest star :)

Elliott doesn't need Clive...he'll do it without him.

Agreed...I don't think his CD would have been so bad had he had more say in it. Clive has signed some great people but i think he;s lost his edge.

I know E doesn't need Clive but man, I hope he's not hurt by it either. :(

I would hope not- but if we stay supportive and keep getting the word out, it will be hard for anyone in the industry to ignore.

it's really not as terrible as you think.
clive davis doesn't understan e's music...if he signed him, e would be molded into another cookie cutter one hit wonder.

e is better than clive. and soon he'll know it.
e said it himself, "one day you'll look for me, and i'll be gooooone"

I LOVE that show!!!!!!!!!!! :D
I am so glad it got picked up! If CW didn't pick it up, I was going to :drawgun: Haha!

E be guest star should be fun! He can be a guest singer in Java the Hut!!!!
Man!! That would be so cool!

i say thank all that is good that elliott is not being forced into that craptastic deal. now he can do HIS music on HIS terms

Oh wow! More Veronica Mars fans! I just watched season 1 on DVD ... twice. Haven't seen season 2 yet but can't wait!

Haha. Forgot for a moment this was an Elliott forum :)

But oh yeah. Elliott should stay far far away from the old geezer. 'Sall I have to say.

It's a good thing that Clive passed!!! It is!!!!

I know we're all disappointed that El got passed over, but you know what? You know hard it is to even get noticed in the industry? No matter what we think about AI, it was the best and ONLY platform for a 27 year old like Elliott to even have a chance. Read his interviews. He's grateful for even having a CHANCE!!! He knows that getting record deal is not set and hence he would have wanted to win, but RCA is not the best place for him. Better to wait for a label that "gets" him and "wants" him and will do right by him. It might take time, but it will ensure a better quality CD as well as respect from his peers. He'll shop around, do the rounds in small clubs, he'll pay his dues as a singer and be respected for that. He will.

You don't have to have a number 1 billboard CD to make a living as a musician. That's all Elliott wants to do is sing. He's never once said anything about wanting to be a star. He's the only one that was there for the music and not the glory. That's why he will make it. That's why we don't have to worry.

God has a plan people! How else can you explain a "nobody" with no look or "obvious personality" making it to the top 3? Is it not amazing how he's touched us all? For sure he's "touched" someone on the inside of the industry. He has been noticed. People are talking. That's the first step that most never even get to.

Agreed. Clive doesn't deserve Elliott anyway, E's way too good for them. But considering that E was the ONLY one in the Clive video who vocally expressed any interest in working with him, that is really low. :angry:

But I completely agree with Dulce - This is a great jumping off point for him - he already has been "hooked up" even if he didn't win the title. He met people he never would have met, and his genius has been exposed to the world. Fellow artists recognize genius and want to work with genius. No matter what kind of pablum Clive Davis and AI want to feed us - there are those in the industry who have heard him and respect what they have heard. With our support to prove that Elliott is marketable, he will have a long and rewarding career in the music industry.

dulce i love your response and i have to agree that we need to thank AI because even if the ydidn't pimp him, they still recognized the spark of talent and gave him a chance....however that is the first and last time i will thank FOX!

I hope he stays as far away from Clive Davis as is humanly possible.

AMEN. We don't need Elliott to sing Inside Your Heaven that the Angels Brought Me to While Laughing with the Daffodils. Save that for the McQueen.

I personally feel that Clive picked a song to undermine E. I feel that's what would happen if he signed him. He is MUCH BETTER OFF without Clive. I also noticed on AI Extra he said right out he was recording both Kat and Tay. Wow really you think we didn't know. Paula had really great things to say about Elliott on Larry King Live last night. I think if Elliott needs help he'll get it from her. Her story was an interesting one too. She worked hard and secretly to promote herself for ten years and it finally paid off. I don't think she'll let that happen to E. When she said, "Elliott is the nicest contestant we have EVER had on AI" and how they bonded don't worry he isn't out in the cold.

What Elliott really needs to do this summer while on tour is to try and write some songs or find some orginal songs to record.

If he as a plan, a track and one true winner, he will be much more prepared to go to the table and negotiate.

So any song writers out there, start thinking of E and what sound you would like him to sing for you. :thud:

Thank you Dulce, my sentiments exactly.

You know, I don't like Clive much, but I actually enjoyed hearing Elliott singing Open Arms. It showed another side of him. I wouldn't want him to sing a lot of these songs, but he certainly could have a hit with a love song like this.

Today I woke up feeling better. I felt like maybe I hadn't lost Elliott yet. I found you all here and everything, but I found that this Clive stuff really upset me. I just have this immediate and very strong reaction to anything negative about Elliott. From the beginning I been so E-nraptured by Elliott that I am unable to believe that everyone doesn't feel the same way. I at least know now that there are many of us (I, just like OutOfMyMind, wish for the whole world to listen and understand). Anyway, in reality, pop-music is not where it's at. Even my 15 year old in enlightened enough to have discriminating tastes. Pop music comes and goes, but Elliott is forever. He really would not be a good mix with Clive. So this is probably all good. Who's out there for Elliott. The making and selling of music and artists is changing. Even my son has made a CD that he sells at concerts and over the net. All I really want is for Elliott is for him to be happy, and as a bonus I hope I get to hear him sing many more songs. Maybe he and his family could come over for dinner too, that would be fun.

Of course, as usual, I agree with Dulce on this.I'mnot in the business, but Clive makes me feel uncomfortable somehow, you know, like that strange uncle we all probably experienced. Aside from that, we now know that Elliott has a certain type of music in mind and he would be pretty unhappy if he had to compromise.I think he will do fine once he gets out of the contractual obligations.I'm ready to help him with whatever he decides to do and I'm sure many others are also. We won't let him down. :cheerleader:

I feel kinda down about it too, guys. It's like when you don't get picked for the kick ball team.

The bland music that comes out of the Clive Davis 'machine' is not worthy of E.

He does not have to be an MTV superstar to have a great R&B/Soul career.

Let's help it happen!

:cheerleader:

I don't think that Clive will be looking out for any contestant except Kat. Reasonably speaking, do we really think that Clive would want any of the other contestants to outshine Kat? I think that's why he wants to sign them, so they can flop. I think he either underestimates Elliott, or he doesn't know how to market him. I think its the former. I also think that any contestant except the winner signing with Clive Davis might be a HUGE mistake.

If anyone is a soulless wonder, that person is Clive Davis from what I can see. I have heard rumors that people have tried to contact Elliott and the show is keeping them away from him for now. Could be that Clive knows others are very interested in Elliott who would be a better fit for him? Am I giving Clive too much credit?

didn't clive david sign/discover Alicia Keys?
You'd think he'd want to sign E.

I don't know what to think.
Then again Alicia Keys writes and plays her own music...and we don't want E to get strapped with those awful watered down AI "hits"

We don't want E to be a one hit wonder.

If Clive really does pass up Elliott I have GOT to know his reasons why. What exactly is it about him that is not signworthy? He was the best singer there.
I don't know, somehow just doesn't seem kosher. Alas, I'm sure Elliott will do better for himself.

Clive signed Alicia Keys, but isn't involved in the hands on production... I just don't think he would give E the artistic control Alicia has at this point in his career so I think it would be better for him to sign with someone else.

Does anyone know what the options are for the third place finisher?

If 19/Clive wants them do they have to sign, or are they open to choose another deal?

From E's press conference it sounds like he won't be tied to 19 Management after the tour, and it also seems like he should be able to entertain offers from others...

The reasons are irrelevent. It's more than just about singing at that level. They sign who they think they can market. That's all. But for the record, nobody wanted Eminem either until some producer named Dr. Dre gave him "a chance" and look what happened.

Clive is a fool!

He'd probably force Elliott into clunker crap material anyways. Let's hope E can get someone better to work with

well clive really doesn't have a good rep anyway. and i'm pretty sure e knows that.
e has shown that he's smart and has a good musical sense. i doubt he'd sign with anyone who would make a fool out of him and his music.

On another Clive note, HOW OLD IS HE? He looked eerily like Lord Voldemort in the newest Harry Potter. I half expected him to pull out his wand and poof us on the spot.

Someone cracked me up on the other board. They said Clive was so old he was already dead - just hasn't hit the ground yet :D

I found this article when google searching "American Idol contract". It is from two seasons ago, but has an interesting quote from an entertainment lawyer. He is talking about Simon Fuller and the record deal:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Music/01/2...c.idolmaker.ap/

"But Gary Fine, a Los Angeles-based entertainment attorney, advised one client not to participate in the first "Idol" series after examining the contestant's contract. Fine does not condemn Fuller's deals, but said he would not recommend them for everyone.

"If I had an artist whose music was quirky and might take time to develop, then Simon's organization is not the one I would recommend getting involved with," he said. "On the other hand, if I have a client whose primary interest is fame and fortune, then Simon's organization is certainly worth considering."

The deal Fine saw also required "Idol" winners to participate against their international counterparts in the "World Idol" show -- for $1,400.

Another section of the "American Idol" contract Fine disclosed described the aggressive image manipulation the performers must agree to, stating that the show "may reveal and/or relate information about me of a personal, private, intimate, surprising, defamatory, disparaging, embarrassing or unfavorable nature, that may be factual and/or fictional."

Sounds like Elliott would be lucky to escape 19 and Clive.

And here is another one:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7046600

"So what exactly is in the "American Idol" contract, besides language preventing finalists from trying to get signed now? Not much is known about this season's document, but sometime MSNBC.com freelancer Eric Olsen examined the first season's contract in detail for Salon a few years ago. He found a "restrictive" document that makes contestants' "careers ... literally not their own."

Essentially, their careers are owned by 19 Entertainment, which produces the series. Perhaps most significantly, Simon Fuller, the show's creator, also gets half of the money brought in by those signed to 19."

Last one.
Let's hope and pray that they pass on Elliott if what Justin Guarini says is true:

http://www2.jsonline.com/enter/tvradio/jun04/233540.asp

"On the other hand, first season runner-up Justin Guarini has complained bitterly about his treatment by Fuller. 19 and RCA signed and then dropped him after his record sold only 140,000 copies. He has said that the companies forced him to record songs he hated, then abandoned him when the record didn't sell.

"Mine was a real high-profile debacle, but there are a lot of others who felt the sting of this monolith, who were used and chucked," Guarini told Entertainment Weekly in March. " 'American Idol' is one of those things where you have to realize that you're being used for entertainment, and you better use it back."

When the original contract for "Idol" finalists leaked onto the Internet in 2002, many entertainment lawyers were aghast. It included broad language allowing 19 to record and reveal information about the contestant of a "personal, private, intimate, surprising, defamatory, disparaging, embarrassing and unfavorable nature, that may be factual and/or fictional," according to a story on Salon.com.

If contestants revealed any of the terms and conditions of the contract, they could be sued for $5 million. And, according to Salon, it stipulated that the winner had to participate in a "World Idol" competition for a payday of only $1,400."